The Argument Against Arguments

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[Virtus-Christi]

You talk of the reformation and the "enlightenment" as if they were good things, and talk about faith as if it's some self-help diet book that you can exchange for another as you see fit. There is only one Faith you should ever associate with, and that is the Orthodox Church. Truth by definition is exclusive, it's not something that you can decide for yourself and "customize" your own religion like some Rorschach test. Such an argument is inane and self-refuting, if that is what you mean.

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[Virtus-Christi]

Of course it applies to you, it applies to everyone. One cannot "think" or "believe" that water is not wet, it is wet. It is the very nature of water to be wet.

Therefore you cannot make up your own reality, and if you do it only applies to you and does not exist independently of you. The Truth of Orthodoxy exists independently of other, heretical doctrines. A jew can ramble about his people being the master race, but that is not objective. A muslim can say that allah commands him to murder Christians, but that is not objective. jews have turned their backs on Christ, they demanded that He be executed and that His blood be upon them and their children for all time, and therefore jews are expelled from any sort of special treatment until they repent and are baptised. muslims murder in the name of their false god, baal, and one does not attain salvation through committing such acts.

Christ is Objective, and His Church is Orthodoxy. All others who claim that their heresy is "more" truthful or "more" pure is incorrect. What is True is what is Good, and identifiable by all regardless of who they are. protestantism has irreversibly damaged the Body of Christ, sowing confusion and innumerable heresies in the West. It is to the point where if you are protestant, you can never be called a "Christian". You misappropriate the Faith to serve your own ends, and you must acknowledge that.

[TheBonesm]

You can't kill off the lower end of society. Something else will just take its place and become the new low end of society. Anyways history tells us the lower end of society existed during the reformation and enlightenment, directly contradicting your opinion: https://brewminate.com/the-growth-of-literacy-in-western-europe-from-1500-to-1800/ The link suggests that only the rich could understand coherent arguments as they were the ones able to afford education, and only when education was opened to lower classes was when lower classes were able to understand coherent arguments. Indeed this is natural selection by helping upper classes and hurting lower classes. But it is not natural selection by killing lower classes, no that is a different argument. If that were the case, then there would be no need to open education to lower classes like Maria Theresa did. By your assertion this lower class that Maria Theresa cared for is already dead due to natural selection in medieval Europe.

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[ayata]

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[sangoku]

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