Understanding Islam

[fschmidt]

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[dawis]

Will wait for your post about Islam.

Anyway, reading this post, I wonder what do you mean by the term "finally understood", as it seems it implies an insight you received in a blink of a moment after dwelling on the subject, also the word "revelation" might imply that.

[Secular Koranism]

May I know why you rejected Plato?

[fschmidt]

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[Secular Koranism]

I am afraid I don't understand how Plato is evil.

As I see it, reality exists whether we perceive it or not.

Off the top of my head, what prevents us from perceiving the truth can be:

1) our desire to avoid the truth because it is inconvenient

2) being misled by lies

3) not taking the trouble to find the truth because we are indifferent to it

4) going with the flow because we want to be mainstream and not wanting to incur disapproval by speaking an inconvenient truth

Plato's Ideal Forms are useful up to a point and helps us perceive God as an aggregation of every idea good and evil that we can think of.

The concept and ideal form of beauty is one that everyone can agree with, because they think they will recognise it when they see it, though it is only in the eye of the beholder.

The ideal form of God is that He is omnipotent and perfectly moral even if we might argue about what being omnipotent, perfectly moral actually means and disagree about the morality of His laws.  

The ideal form of God is even knowable to the atheist because he understands the concept of being omnipotent and being perfectly moral, even if the atheist denies God's actual existence.  

 

[TryingToFollowTheMessiah]

Fschmidt, to understand Islam, you have to reject what people say and follow what God said.

To help you understand it even more, Islam is an Arabic word and the root also means Submission.

Don't fall in the trap of the sectarians who try to tell you that they have the narrations which contain the personal words of the prophet Mohammed. Because why would to believe someone, who is going to tell you that he recorded what Mohammed said, the people who is going to "tell" you might be lieing.

Don't read "ahadith"/"sunnah", it's a fabrication, the enemies of Mohammed, the prophet of the Quran, fabricated it.

You have to read the Quran alone, to find out.

It's like, i have to study Torah alone, to understand the Torah. I don't need the "Talmud", the "Talmud" will teach me only evil.

I don't have to study what the "pope" is following, because it's idolatry. Just like that, i have to study the Gospel alone, to understand Christianity.

So yeah, Jews have a big problem with the "talmud followers". The Christians have a big problem with the "followers of the pope". And so have the Muslims, a huge problem with the "followers of the Sunnah/life style" which is being falsely attributed to Mohammed, the Prophet of God.