Moral alternatives to modern culture

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[Secular Koranism]

It has been said that Islam is "Judaism Lite".

I then had the idea of "Islam Lite" - Secular Koranism.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/secular-koranism.html

[Secular Koranism]

Why do you call Orthodox Judaism "racist"?

It is after all possible for a gentile to convert to Orthodox Judaism, even if the process is long and arduous.  

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[Peter]

While intelligent Muslims make good Mikraites, Mikraites will make bad Muslims.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:47 PM fschmidt [via Mikraite] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Secularism doesn't work.  You call your site "Voice of Reason" but in fact most people don't have the intelligence to reason, so they shouldn't even try.  Instead, they should respect tradition and religion.  If they do try to reason, the result will be nothing more than rationalization of their instincts, because this is all that they are intellectually capable of doing.  So then the question becomes how to make such people respect religion over their own dysfunctional minds.  The first answer is to have a powerful alpha-male god since humans (and most primates) are wired to respect an alpha-male leader.  I would say that the god of Islam is the most alpha of all gods.  And the second answer is to provide religious exercises for people to remember their religion.  The Old Testament provides the sabbath which is useful for intelligent people who can use this time to think, but is less useful for those of low intelligence.  Again, Islam is optimal here with its 5 daily prayers which consist of repeatedly bowing before God, the act of bowing being the primary expression of submission for humans (and most primates).  So I would say that Islam today isn't far from ideal, it just needs a few tweaks to make it less fatalistic.

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[Secular Koranism]

In what way is Islam fatalistic?

What tweaks would you suggest to Islam?

[Secular Koranism]

I don't think you quite understand the nature of Secular Koranism. It is a legal system infused with Koranic principles whose rules people of faith and no faith will know because it is the law. People obey the law not because they agree with the law, but because they fear the law's punishment. We are already accustomed to obeying laws we do not agree with. Secular Koranism does not expect everyone to agree with it and support it or even believe in God, but if it is what their government has adopted, that is what those subject to the authority of the state will have to obey, or else be punished if caught.

Many will argue that Secular Koranism authoritarian, which I do not deny since all laws are coercive and meant to be coercive, but it is certainly not totalitarian.

[Secular Koranism]

"While intelligent Muslims make good Mikraites, Mikraites will make bad Muslims."

Why do you say that?

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[Secular Koranism]

Once you have a laws that reflect God's morality, you lay the foundation for belief again. We must not put the cart before the horse.  

It is easier to argue the case for patriarchy to nationalists now that nationalism has become fashionable again than to convert a nation who are mostly Islamophobes, non-Christians, non-Jews and atheists into any religion.  

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[Secular Koranism]

Not all religions have deities. Buddhism is an atheist religion.  

Religion is necessary because it is necessarily and logically the basis of our laws, which have to be respected to be enforced and applied.  

All religions are but political ideologies.

Liberalism is a political ideology whose principles go against what are said to be God's laws. Since Liberalism is about feminism, sexual immorality and gender confusion ie gay marriage and unisex toilets it will dismantle whatever social cohesion there is that remains in the West.

It is now hoped that Liberalism will be replaced by nationalism and nationalism has many Conservative ideas. Unfortunately, Conservatism is not a political ideology that has principles that are easily discernible and definable.

If we want social conservatism, it can be found in the Bible and Koran both of which promote patriarchal moral values.  

As you have already said, Christianity is kaput and Judaism is for Jews only with a long and arduous conversion process that will put off most people who are overwhelmingly atheist and irreligious anyway. What remains therefore is an Islamic theocracy.  

When you have eliminated the impossible, what remains, however improbable, must be the answer.

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[Secular Koranism]

How are laws "almost irrelevant" if they punish immoral behaviour?