Why Religions Fail

[fschmidt]

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[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

The founders of religions are always idealists.

How would you know?

Are you in fact an atheist?

[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

Ashkenazi Jews were an intelligent group within Judaism, so why didn't they reform it?

You must have heard of Reform Judaism.

[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

What is required for a successful reformation?

Why bother with reformation when you could just adopt another better religion?

[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

So should an intelligent individual within a religion attempt to reform it?

After half a millennium, it should now be clear Christianity is not capable of reformation.

Reform Judaism has also failed to reform Judaism because the answer is not to dilute the principles of Judaism, but simply to adopt the scripture of a later and better revelation from the same Abrahamic God ie the Koran.

[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

So should an intelligent individual within a religion attempt to reform it?  

It is not enough simply to be intelligent, one must also have the requisite moral and divine authority to do so. In any case, one's intelligence can always be disputed by those with greater seniority and authority.

[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

So then what should an intelligent individual within a religion do?  The only sensible thing to do is to try to form a eugenic group within the religion.

Eugenics is the process of creating desirable heritable traits in the next generation.

Marriage for the purpose of good parenting is eugenic.

Married parents are more likely to give their legitimate offspring the heritable trait of marriageability than unmarried parents their illegitimate offspring.

Illegitimacy is therefore dysgenic.

If there is an anxiety about people getting stupider, weaker and poorer, it is because of the state's failure to respect the institutions of marriage and the family.  

The solution must be to resolve to do so by adopting a religion that would specifically and explicitly require extramarital sex to be punished.

http://quran.com/24/2

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[Secular Koranism]

umit wrote

What problem? first define the problem please

The problem is feminism.

[Allen]

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[Secular Koranism]

Have I said anything untrue, illogical or immoral?

[Allen]

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[Secular Koranism]

Nothing in the Torah or Koran requires women to be silent. The "modern disease" you refer to is feminism, and feminism operates through bribing men with extramarital sex and corrupting their morals. You can hardly accuse me of doing this since I have made you no such offer.

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[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

The problem is having the intelligence to properly understand and apply scripture.

If both the Torah and the Koran are claimed to be from the Abrahamic God ie the most powerful being conceivable, then if you were being rational, you would choose the book of rules with the fewest restrictions and capital punishments. That would be the Koran.

[Secular Koranism]

fschmidt wrote

How can one objectively judge religion?  The only objective judgement that I can think of is how successful were the societies that they produced.  And based on that, the Christian Reformation was successful.

Religion is judged by its fitness for purpose.

Religion comes from "religare", the Latin of "to bind" (society).

If the purpose of a religion is to bind a group and Jews are the world's most ancient and powerful tribe enjoying the protection of the most powerful being conceivable, then Judaism is arguably the most successful but exclusive religion.

If it is true that God made a second and better revelation for mankind through the Koran, then why would we be choosing anything else?

Christianity suffers from an inferior scripture which is only the word of mortal and fallible men testifying that they met an executed blasphemer.  

Islam is therefore for gentiles who wish to worship the Abrahamic God without being guilty of the idolatry and blasphemy of Christianity.

Christianity has clearly failed because it is the weakest link to patriarchy having been replaced by liberalism which in the 21st century means nothing more than sexual liberation from the rules of marriage and good parenting with the consequence of widespread bastardy, which is clearly dysgenic.

Not only is Christianity kaput, its replacement of liberalism has now rotted into the moral sewage of intersectionality.  

 

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[R.C. Christian]

umit wrote

I think that the correct way is to see it as a whole...a continuum. Christianity is not copied from Judaism, the Quraan is not a bad copy of the Thorah and Gospels...the stories of Abraham, and Noah, and Solomon, David are not bad copies of each other in the Thorah, Gospels and Quraan. They are the same stories because they are actual historical events...(not because I can prove that, but because of the fact that those stories form the core of the holy message that God gives us over and over again in different scriptures)

I'm glad to see someone else trusting their intuition to actually notice this.

On the other hand, all religions originating from Middle Eastern civilizations are necessarily dumbed down versions of a kind of ancient knowledge; religions are from the masses to the masses. To really get to the ancient knowledge, one has to dig deeper, before civilizations emerged, to times when there was no langue, no religions and no large, urbanized populations.

I think Varg Vikernes is correct regarding civilization: https://www.burzum.org/eng/library/about_civilization.shtml